From arobinson at islandinstitute.org Wed Dec 5 18:41:14 2007 From: arobinson at islandinstitute.org (Alden Robinson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:41:14 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] YRHASC listserver Message-ID: Welcome! If you receive this email, you're subscribed to the Year Round Housing Application and Selection Committee listserver. How to use the listserver: A list server is an email mailing-list. Sending an email to it automatically emails everyone on the list. The email address for the YRHASC listserver is: yrhasc at townoflongisland.us When you send an email here, everyone on the list will get it: John Billings lucky7li at verizon.net Brenda Singo bsingo at verizon.net Judy Paolini judyp at tpda.com Sandy Scheurman Sscheurman at aol.com Town of Long Island townoflongisland at verizon.net Mark Greene mlongreene2 at aol.com Alden Robinson arobinson at islandinstitute.org (list administrator) Clicking "reply" to a message from the list will automatically reply only to the person who sent it. If you want to reply to everyone on the list, add yrhasc at townoflongisland.us to the "CC" field of your email. If you have any questions, contact Alden Robinson arobinson at islandinstitute.org or 766-2336. Enjoy! ________________________________________________ Alden S. Robinson Island Institute Fellow Town of Long Island, Maine (207) 766-2336 arobinson at islandinstitute.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sscheurman at aol.com Fri Dec 7 09:40:46 2007 From: Sscheurman at aol.com (Sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:40:46 EST Subject: [yrhasc] minutes Message-ID: All: Wow, that email address is convenient! I have been thinking.... Brenda is doing a great job juggling being a contributing member of the committee, and, recording contributing members of the committee at the same time. Personally, I have a difficult enough time just trying to listen, understand, formulate an idea, and, express that idea without having any responsibility for recording what goes on during a meeting. I just don't know how she could do all that AND document it all at the same time. I don't believe this is fair to her. I think important ideas are being discussed, and are not being recorded along the way because it is impossible to talk and record at the same time. My fear is that a valuable idea could easily fall by the wayside without further consideration if we are not reminded later about what all we discussed. I would like Brenda to maintain the Secretary's position, and I believe the minutes she prepares are appropriate for public consumption. However, I would like you all to consider having Alden or someone else take notes of the meetings so Brenda can dedicate her attention SOLELY to being a contributing member like the rest of us while attending the meetings, and have someone else record her ideas too. Then the note taker's notes can be used as working documents for our committee use only. What do you all think about this? Sandie **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Fri Dec 7 09:44:50 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:44:50 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: another option is to record the meetings - i have a nifty little digital recorder - the software works on any PC so you could listen to it at your convenience (Newell could use a town hall computer to do so) At 9:40 AM -0500 12/7/07, Sscheurman at aol.com wrote: >All: > >Wow, that email address is convenient! > >I have been thinking.... Brenda is doing a great job juggling being >a contributing member of the committee, and, recording contributing >members of the committee at the same time. Personally, I have a >difficult enough time just trying to listen, understand, formulate >an idea, and, express that idea without having any responsibility >for recording what goes on during a meeting. I just don't know >how she could do all that AND document it all at the same time. I >don't believe this is fair to her. I think important ideas are >being discussed, and are not being recorded along the way because it >is impossible to talk and record at the same time. My fear is that >a valuable idea could easily fall by the wayside without further >consideration if we are not reminded later about what all we >discussed. I would like Brenda to maintain the Secretary's >position, and I believe the minutes she prepares are appropriate for >public consumption. However, I would like you all to consider >having Alden or someone else take notes of the meetings so Brenda >can dedicate her attention SOLELY to being a contributing member >like the rest of us while attending the meetings, and have someone >else record her ideas too. Then the note taker's notes can be used >as working documents for our committee use only. What do you all >think about this? > >Sandie > > > > >Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the >hottest >products and >top >money wasters of 2007. > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sscheurman at aol.com Fri Dec 7 09:56:56 2007 From: Sscheurman at aol.com (Sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:56:56 EST Subject: [yrhasc] responding to Judy's email Message-ID: Re: Item #4 "But the number of people and families on Long Island right now who have never owned property is pretty high relative to the size of the community." Do we actually know how many have never owned property? If so, what is that number, and, how did we learn it? We could make first time ownership a separate item to consider via the point system. I agree that this should hold a considerable amount of weight. We would not disqualify others if this is the method of differentiation we use. Sandie **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Fri Dec 7 10:13:30 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:13:30 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] responding to Judy's email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I understand that the majority of constituents for the YRHC would be first-time owners but Mark can correct me if I am wrong. >Re: Item #4 > >"But the number of people and families on Long Island right now who >have never owned property is pretty high relative to the size of the >community." > >Do we actually know how many have never owned property? If so, what >is that number, and, how did we learn it? We could make first time >ownership a separate item to consider via the point system. I agree >that this should hold a considerable amount of weight. We would >not disqualify others if this is the method of differentiation we >use. > >Sandie > > > > >Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the >hottest >products and >top >money wasters of 2007. > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arobinson at islandinstitute.org Fri Dec 7 11:04:15 2007 From: arobinson at islandinstitute.org (Alden Robinson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:04:15 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello YRHASC, I would be willing to come take minutes for you if you'd like. Alden ________________________________________________ Alden S. Robinson Island Institute Fellow Town of Long Island, Maine (207) 766-2336 arobinson at islandinstitute.org ________________________________ From: yrhasc-bounces at townoflongisland.us [mailto:yrhasc-bounces at townoflongisland.us] On Behalf Of JudyP Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:45 AM To: YRH Application and Selection Committee Subject: Re: [yrhasc] minutes another option is to record the meetings - i have a nifty little digital recorder - the software works on any PC so you could listen to it at your convenience (Newell could use a town hall computer to do so) At 9:40 AM -0500 12/7/07, Sscheurman at aol.com wrote: All: Wow, that email address is convenient! I have been thinking.... Brenda is doing a great job juggling being a contributing member of the committee, and, recording contributing members of the committee at the same time. Personally, I have a difficult enough time just trying to listen, understand, formulate an idea, and, express that idea without having any responsibility for recording what goes on during a meeting. I just don't know how she could do all that AND document it all at the same time. I don't believe this is fair to her. I think important ideas are being discussed, and are not being recorded along the way because it is impossible to talk and record at the same time. My fear is that a valuable idea could easily fall by the wayside without further consideration if we are not reminded later about what all we discussed. I would like Brenda to maintain the Secretary's position, and I believe the minutes she prepares are appropriate for public consumption. However, I would like you all to consider having Alden or someone else take notes of the meetings so Brenda can dedicate her attention SOLELY to being a contributing member like the rest of us while attending the meetings, and have someone else record her ideas too. Then the note taker's notes can be used as working documents for our committee use only. What do you all think about this? Sandie ________________________________ Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brenda _____ From: yrhasc-bounces at townoflongisland.us [mailto:yrhasc-bounces at townoflongisland.us] On Behalf Of Sscheurman at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:21 AM To: yrhasc at townoflongisland.us Subject: [yrhasc] agenda - 12-19-07 All: Correct me if I am wrong, however, I believe the file forwarded yesterday contains an Agenda for November 28, and not for December 19. Sandie _____ See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:02:16 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:02:16 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Re previous homeowner question Message-ID: Concerning the number of previous homeowners. At least two of the six or so presently interested candidates were previous homeowners. MG **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 15:10:17 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:10:17 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? Message-ID: Hi All, I assume all is on for a Wed. meeting. of the YRHASC I have pondered long and hard about the challenges of your committee and its mission and the discussions we have had concerning "independent" etc. I have penned one of my way too long missiles which I will copy to your committee after I have a chance to refine and think over how we move forward with a proper relationship we can all be comfortable with. I would ask to have 2 agenda items included for Wed. evening. 1. Your thoughts and reaction to my "mission document" you will soon receive. 2. The Selectmen last Thursday night, while discussing the need to post for the vacancy on your committee, endorsed the idea of a larger YRHASC if enough brave souls could be found to apply and serve. Where one remaining member is already a Selectman and one a YRHC member, this might broaden the input. Please consider if this something you would favor as a change to your by-laws?? Thanks, Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Sun Dec 16 15:28:57 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:57 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All: I think we need to spend a considerable amount of time at this next meeting discussing the reasons for and ramifications of Brenda's resignation. I have put much thought into the matter since receiving the copy of her letter to the selectmen. If this committee is to fulfill it's obligations as presented at last town meeting we need to be very clear about our responsibilities. As a member of this committee I am surprised to hear second-hand about the selectman's discussion of number of members. I would have thought they would have contacted each of us with their endorsement, especially since our new email address is now in place. See you all on Wednesday. Judy >Hi All, I assume all is on for a Wed. meeting. of the YRHASC >I have pondered long and hard about the challenges of your committee >and its mission and the discussions we have had concerning >"independent" etc. I have penned one of my way too long missiles >which I will copy to your committee after I have a chance to refine >and think over how we move forward with a proper relationship we can >all be comfortable with. >I would ask to have 2 agenda items included for Wed. evening. >1. Your thoughts and reaction to my "mission document" you will soon receive. >2. The Selectmen last Thursday night, while discussing the need to >post for the vacancy on your committee, endorsed the idea of a >larger YRHASC if enough brave souls could be found to apply and >serve. Where one remaining member is already a Selectman and one >a YRHC member, this might broaden the input. Please consider >if this something you would favor as a change to your by-laws?? >Thanks, Mark > > > > > >See AOL's >top >rated recipes and >easy >ways to stay in shape for winter. > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 15:53:39 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:53:39 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Clarification of Selectmen discussion Message-ID: Judy, I am the one, as Housing Administrator ,who is trying to keep this moving positively forward. The topic I raised with Chee for the Selectmen to discuss was getting a posting out ASAP for your vacancy - which the Selectmen must do - so that it does keep moving. Only you can change the number of members through your bylaws, not me or the Selectmen. The reason more members was even suggested by me as a topic for the Selectmen to discuss is the issue (I believe it was raised by you) at a previous meeting about YRHC member John Billings and a Selectman being on the Committee as possibly a conflict. If we get an bigger pool of candidates, which we did not the last time around, it might be worth considering - your call. I think the Selectmen discussing that topic (with Newell - one of your members there) was most appropriate. I have raised it as a potential agenda item so it can be discussed. I agree that we need to discuss all of this as there is continuing discomfort. Best, Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sscheurman at aol.com Sun Dec 16 17:06:38 2007 From: sscheurman at aol.com (sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:06:38 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA0E4710BC1070-C10-4DE5@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Apparently Judy has seen Brenda's letter of resignation.? Can the rest of us see it as well?? Then we can be prepared to discuss the subject as suggested.? Thanks! Sandie -----Original Message----- From: JudyP To: YRH Application and Selection Committee Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? Hello All: I think we need to spend a considerable amount of time at this next meeting discussing the reasons for and ramifications of Brenda's resignation. I have put much thought into the matter since receiving the copy of her letter to the selectmen. If this committee is to fulfill it's obligations as presented at last town meeting we need to be very clear about our responsibilities. As a member of this committee I am surprised to hear second-hand about the selectman's discussion of number of members. I would have thought they would have contacted each of us with their endorsement, especially since our new email address is now in place. See you all on Wednesday. Judy Hi All,?? I assume all is on for a Wed. meeting. of the YRHASC? I have pondered long and hard about the challenges of your committee and its mission?and the discussions we have had concerning "independent" etc.???? I have penned one of my way too long missiles which I will copy to your committee after I have a chance to refine and think over how we move forward with a proper relationship we can all be comfortable with. I would ask to have 2 agenda items included for Wed. evening. 1.? Your thoughts and reaction to my "mission document" you will soon?receive. 2.? The Selectmen last Thursday?night, while discussing the need to post for the?vacancy on your committee, ?endorsed the idea of a larger YRHASC if enough brave souls could be found to apply and serve.???? Where one remaining?member is already a Selectman and one a YRHC member,? this might broaden the input.???Please consider if?this something you would favor as a change to your by-laws?????? Thanks,? Mark? See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Sun Dec 16 17:30:22 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:30:22 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? In-Reply-To: <8CA0E4710BC1070-C10-4DE5@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA0E4710BC1070-C10-4DE5@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Sandie: Here is a scanned copy of the letter attached. judy >Apparently Judy has seen Brenda's letter of resignation. Can the >rest of us see it as well? Then we can be prepared to discuss the >subject as suggested. Thanks! > >Sandie > > >-----Original Message----- >From: JudyP >To: YRH Application and Selection Committee >Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 3:28 pm >Subject: Re: [yrhasc] Wed. Meeting - agenda items? > >#AOLMsgPart_3_9409d75f-22f1-4830-8da5-f9f14b5e5070 >Hello All: > >I think we need to spend a considerable amount of time at this next >meeting discussing the reasons for and ramifications of Brenda's >resignation. I have put much thought into the matter since receiving >the copy of her letter to the selectmen. If this committee is to >fulfill it's obligations as presented at last town meeting we need >to be very clear about our responsibilities. > >As a member of this committee I am surprised to hear second-hand >about the selectman's discussion of number of members. I would have >thought they would have contacted each of us with their endorsement, >especially since our new email address is now in place. > >See you all on Wednesday. >Judy > > >>Hi All, I assume all is on for a Wed. meeting. of the YRHASC >> >>I have pondered long and hard about the challenges of your >>committee and its mission and the discussions we have had >>concerning "independent" etc. I have penned one of my way too >>long missiles which I will copy to your committee after I have a >>chance to refine and think over how we move forward with a proper >>relationship we can all be comfortable with. >> >>I would ask to have 2 agenda items included for Wed. evening. >> >>1. Your thoughts and reaction to my "mission document" you will >>soon receive. >> >>2. The Selectmen last Thursday night, while discussing the need to >>post for the vacancy on your committee, endorsed the idea of a >>larger YRHASC if enough brave souls could be found to apply and >>serve. Where one remaining member is already a Selectman and >>one a YRHC member, this might broaden the input. Please consider >>if this something you would favor as a change to your by-laws?? >>Thanks, Mark >> >> >> >> >> >>See AOL's >>top >>rated recipes and >>easy >>ways to stay in shape for winter. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>yrhasc mailing list >>yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >>http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us >> > > >-- >Judy Paolini >TPDA >207-871-1813 office >207-329-6153 cell >judyp at tpda.com >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us > > >More new features than ever. Check out the new >AOL >Mail! > > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: YRHCASC resign letter.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 933646 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Mon Dec 17 15:33:03 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:33:03 EST Subject: [yrhasc] YRHC and YRHASC Goals (a copy for each Selectman please) Message-ID: Please accept the following open letter as a good faith attempt to keep the dialog and process open and moving. I look forward to being able to discuss this at the Wed. YRHASC meeting and have requested that it be an agenda item. At the suggestion of a YRHASC member (and in response to a question by another YRHASC member) , I am compiling a list of folks involved in this endeavor over the past few years. I will e-mail it later and/or bring it to the meeting Wed. Thank you, Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: YRHASC Background info.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 43008 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Tue Dec 18 10:12:49 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:12:49 EST Subject: [yrhasc] YRH Activities 2005 to present Message-ID: Attached please find a list of committees and members involved with housing issues. It is also opened below, but lost some format. Hope it is helpful and apologize for anyone left out. Mark Town of Long Island Year Round Housing Corporation Box 263 Long Island, Maine 04050 Mark Greene, Housing Administrator _Mlongreene2 at aol.com_ (mailto:Mlongreene2 at aol.com) 207 766 4440 December 16, 2007 Subject: Participants in Year Round Housing Activities 2005-2007 I was asked by a YRHASC member to consider a full disclosure of everyone involved in the YRH process for clarification as there was a question by another member about who was who in this whole process. A good idea and here is that information: 1. Initial Interest: Discussions by citizens over the last 3 or 4 years. Eventually some of us started and drafted the concepts that resulted in the creation of the YRHC. We all agreed that we were fortunate to have many younger folks wanting be here and still hanging on here, most in rental situations that were not guaranteed for the long term. Regular participants: Selectman Steve Train, Selectman Ruth Peterson, Mark Greene, Emily Jacobs and Sam Whitener and others. Mark Greene was subsequently appointed Housing Administrator under a USDA Rural Community Development Initiative grant through the Genesis Foundation. Separately, Alden Robinson was dedicated to Long Island by the Island Institute as a Fellow in part to focus on affordable housing issues with Mark Greene as Advisor. 2. Year Round Housing Committee Participants: these participants worked through late 2006 and into 2007 to draft the initial proposals, do the survey work, and brought forth Article 47 to Town Meeting: Once again there was pretty widespread agreement as to our goal of finding ways to make reasonable housing available to those here now that needed it. Regular participants: John Billings, Cade and Melissa Brown, Leah Doughty, Mark Greene, Tom and Tammy Hohn, Michael Maloney, Mary Nanos, Jonothan Norton, Ruth Peterson, Alden Robinson, Will and Amy Tierney, Steve Train, Lorrinda Valls, and Katie Wegner. (Apologies for any other participants I have overlooked). 3. Year Round Housing Corporation: (YRHCorp) as recommended by other housing groups and our proposal a non profit (and soon to be 501c3) corporation was formed with purposes concurrent with those of the YRHC. The YRHCorp will be available in the future to accept properties, if offered, on behalf of qualified applicants. An excerpt of its purpose from the IRS Application: – “The Year Round Housing Corporation was formed in response to community-wide concern that low- and moderate-income people, often young families and single individuals of all ages, who are not presently property-owners, will be forced to leave the island community because housing costs have severely outstripped the ability of residents to buy in their own communities” (Complete goals from the application available if interested). Ruth Peterson is the Registered Agent of the Corporation; Leah Doughty is Secretary; Mark Greene is President, and Stephen Train is Treasurer and all are Incorporators and make up the Board of Directors. 4. Year Round Housing Committee (YRHC) Following Town Meeting the Selectmen were asked to seek applicants and formalize membership in the Year Round Housing Committee. The following were appointed as voting members of the YRHC: Needless to say, the goals of this committee were continued from the previous work done to get to this point. John Billings; Cade Brown; Mark Greene; Mike Maloney; Amy Tierney; Will Tierney; Lorrinda Valls;. (Mark Greene was elected Committee Chair and Alden Robinson, Island Institute Fellow does research, support work, and the meeting minutes) 5. Year Round Housing Application and SelectionCommittee (YRHASC) Last, but not least, and as recommended in the “Information Summary” sent to voters, and at the request of the YRHC, the Selectmen were asked to advertise and appoint a committee to carry forth the application and selection process as part of the larger ongoing work done by the YRHC, YRHCorp, Selectmen, Housing Administrator, and others. Members appointed are Brenda Singo, John Billings, Judy Paolini, Newell Stewart, and Sandra Scheurmann. John Billings and Newell Stewart were elected co-chairs. 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Hope it is helpful and apologize for anyone left out. Mark Town of Long Island Year Round Housing Corporation Box 263 Long Island, Maine 04050 Mark Greene, Housing Administrator Mlongreene2 at aol.com 207 766 4440 December 16, 2007 Subject: Participants in Year Round Housing Activities 2005-2007 I was asked by a YRHASC member to consider a full disclosure of everyone involved in the YRH process for clarification as there was a question by another member about who was who in this whole process. A good idea and here is that information: 1. Initial Interest: Discussions by citizens over the last 3 or 4 years. Eventually some of us started and drafted the concepts that resulted in the creation of the YRHC. We all agreed that we were fortunate to have many younger folks wanting be here and still hanging on here, most in rental situations that were not guaranteed for the long term. Regular participants: Selectman Steve Train, Selectman Ruth Peterson, Mark Greene, Emily Jacobs and Sam Whitener and others. Mark Greene was subsequently appointed Housing Administrator under a USDA Rural Community Development Initiative grant through the Genesis Foundation. Separately, Alden Robinson was dedicated to Long Island by the Island Institute as a Fellow in part to focus on affordable housing issues with Mark Greene as Advisor. 2. Year Round Housing Committee Participants: these participants worked through late 2006 and into 2007 to draft the initial proposals, do the survey work, and brought forth Article 47 to Town Meeting: Once again there was pretty widespread agreement as to our goal of finding ways to make reasonable housing available to those here now that needed it. Regular participants: John Billings, Cade and Melissa Brown, Leah Doughty, Mark Greene, Tom and Tammy Hohn, Michael Maloney, Mary Nanos, Jonothan Norton, Ruth Peterson, Alden Robinson, Will and Amy Tierney, Steve Train, Lorrinda Valls, and Katie Wegner. (Apologies for any other participants I have overlooked). 3. Year Round Housing Corporation: (YRHCorp) as recommended by other housing groups and our proposal a non profit (and soon to be 501c3) corporation was formed with purposes concurrent with those of the YRHC. The YRHCorp will be available in the future to accept properties, if offered, on behalf of qualified applicants. An excerpt of its purpose from the IRS Application: - "The Year Round Housing Corporation was formed in response to community-wide concern that low- and moderate-income people, often young families and single individuals of all ages, who are not presently property-owners, will be forced to leave the island community because housing costs have severely outstripped the ability of residents to buy in their own communities" (Complete goals from the application available if interested). Ruth Peterson is the Registered Agent of the Corporation; Leah Doughty is Secretary; Mark Greene is President, and Stephen Train is Treasurer and all are Incorporators and make up the Board of Directors. 4. Year Round Housing Committee (YRHC) Following Town Meeting the Selectmen were asked to seek applicants and formalize membership in the Year Round Housing Committee. The following were appointed as voting members of the YRHC: Needless to say, the goals of this committee were continued from the previous work done to get to this point. John Billings; Cade Brown; Mark Greene; Mike Maloney; Amy Tierney; Will Tierney; Lorrinda Valls;. (Mark Greene was elected Committee Chair and Alden Robinson, Island Institute Fellow does research, support work, and the meeting minutes) 5. Year Round Housing Application and SelectionCommittee (YRHASC) Last, but not least, and as recommended in the "Information Summary" sent to voters, and at the request of the YRHC, the Selectmen were asked to advertise and appoint a committee to carry forth the application and selection process as part of the larger ongoing work done by the YRHC, YRHCorp, Selectmen, Housing Administrator, and others. Members appointed are Brenda Singo, John Billings, Judy Paolini, Newell Stewart, and Sandra Scheurmann. John Billings and Newell Stewart were elected co-chairs. Brenda Singo was elected clerk. _____ See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Tue Dec 18 18:53:39 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:53:39 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] watching the weather Message-ID: Hello All: We should keep our eye on the weather for tomorrow night's meeting. Since Sandie needs to come from in town and no one wants to go out in miserable weather if they don't have to, I suggest we make that call tomorrow by email or phone tree. Do we all have everyone's phone number? J -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com From Sscheurman at aol.com Wed Dec 19 05:56:59 2007 From: Sscheurman at aol.com (Sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:56:59 EST Subject: [yrhasc] watching the weather Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2007 6:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyp at tpda.com writes: Hello All: We should keep our eye on the weather for tomorrow night's meeting. Since Sandie needs to come from in town and no one wants to go out in miserable weather if they don't have to, I suggest we make that call tomorrow by email or phone tree. Do we all have everyone's phone number? J -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us All: I will be heading to the island this morning, and hope that if I can make it, you all can too! If anyone wants to call, the cell phone number is 318-5458. Often there is not a signal at my house and the message will go directly into voicemail. Fear not! A walk to the beach is all I need to pick up my messages. I can think of worse things! Sandie **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Wed Dec 19 10:29:08 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (Judy Paolini) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:29:08 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] watching the weather In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for planning ahead, Sandie! >In a message dated 12/18/2007 6:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >judyp at tpda.com writes: > >Hello All: > >We should keep our eye on the weather for tomorrow night's meeting. >Since Sandie needs to come from in town and no one wants to go out in >miserable weather if they don't have to, I suggest we make that call >tomorrow by email or phone tree. Do we all have everyone's phone >number? > >J >-- >Judy Paolini >TPDA >207-871-1813 office >207-329-6153 cell >judyp at tpda.com > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us > >All: > >I will be heading to the island this morning, and hope that if I can >make it, you all can too! If anyone wants to call, the cell phone >number is 318-5458. Often there is not a signal at my house and the >message will go directly into voicemail. Fear not! A walk to the >beach is all I need to pick up my messages. I can think of worse >things! > >Sandie > > > > >See AOL's >top >rated recipes and >easy >ways to stay in shape for winter. > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- judy paolini tpda 294 brackett street portland, me 04102 judyp at tpda.com 207.871.1813 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Thu Dec 20 10:14:58 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:14:58 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes Message-ID: Hi All, Attached are Draft minutes from the Tues. YRHC meeting. Also the following thoughts on what is public in our communications and meetings: The letter of the law in Maine about meetings, discussions, and perhaps e-mails as I interpret it is so strong that if followed to the "T", almost nobody could talk to anybody about anything and little could ever get done except in a properly posted meeting in a public place. Let us continue to reflect on how we do our work and get it as reasonably close to open and legal as we can. I have been as guilty as others in trying to move ahead sometimes without thinking about what is the proper procedure. It is endlessly challenging no matter how long you have done it. We are all trying to do good stuff for others with little spare common time to do. I have modified the following quote I recently received on this issue: A reminder: a nonprofit's (we all - YRHC and YRHASC operate under the nonprofit YRHCorp as well as under the Town of Long Island) stakeholders are the public in which it serves. Directors are answerable to the public, and are supposed to represent the public when addressing the association. All documents are to be open to the public, and are actually required by law to be presented to the public within a timely manner upon request. Emails are included as a public document as of the whole Enron debacle (previously they were considered private). Whether an email is requested or not, it is still a public document because it was a communication to the association from a board member. Feel free to get work done with e-mails, but be aware they are not necessarily private communication. I expect that anything I do by e-mail (for public work) is open to be shared if needed or wanted. Other interpretations are more than welcome. We grappled long and hard in the beginning of the Town with variations of these issues. I think our intent to continue to strive to make it work properly is all anyone can ask. Thanks, Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: YRHC Draft Min dec 18.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 28672 bytes Desc: not available URL: From judyp at tpda.com Thu Dec 20 11:33:04 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:33:04 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good information, thanks, Mark. I was reading the minutes of the YRHC and I have a question that is only partially related. I heard recently that all houses on the island now have to be built as year-round, with insulation, etc. Of course anything built through the YRHC would be, but I wondered if that was true. Does anyone know? I am also glad to see the YRHC is looking into existing homes on the island since some have been sitting for a while and an offer might be considered that wouldn't have been last year. I also wonder if since the Beach Ave house is grandfathered as a multi-family (is that correct?) if it has potential for some kind of multiple ownership, like a condo, that would work for 3 parties. That would make the price per unit very reasonable. Right now I know the word "condo" on Long Island conjures images of high-priced luxury units, but many old buildings in Portland, many with only 2 or 3 units, have been converted to condos in the past few years and the prices per unit have been in the mid to low 100's. That it has been a powerful tool for young people to move from rentals. Two of our former tenants on Brackett street took advantage of this and are paying only slightly more than they were for rent (and our rents are very much middle-of-the-market.) Just a thought. J >Hi All, Attached are Draft minutes from the >Tues. YRHC meeting. Also the following >thoughts on what is public in our communications >and meetings: > >The letter of the law in Maine about meetings, >discussions, and perhaps e-mails as I interpret >it is so strong that if followed to the "T", >almost nobody could talk to anybody about >anything and little could ever get done except >in a properly posted meeting in a public >place. >Let us continue to reflect on how we do our work >and get it as reasonably close to open and >legal as we can. I have been as guilty as >others in trying to move ahead sometimes without >thinking about what is the proper procedure. >It is endlessly challenging no matter how long >you have done it. We are all trying to do good >stuff for others with little spare common time >to do. > >I have modified the following quote I recently received on this issue: > >A reminder: a nonprofit's (we all - YRHC and >YRHASC operate under the nonprofit YRHCorp as >well as under the Town of Long Island) > stakeholders are the public in which it serves. >Directors are answerable to the public, and are >supposed to represent the public when addressing >the association. All documents are to be open >to the public, and are actually required by law >to be presented to the public within a timely >manner upon request. Emails are included as a >public document as of the whole Enron debacle >(previously they were considered private). >Whether an email is requested or not, it is >still a public document because it was a >communication to the association from a board >member. Feel free to get work done with >e-mails, but be aware they are not >necessarily private communication. I expect >that anything I do by e-mail (for public work) >is open to be shared if needed or wanted. > >Other interpretations are more than welcome. >We grappled long and hard in the beginning of >the Town with variations of these issues. I >think our intent to continue to strive to make >it work properly is all anyone can ask. >Thanks, Mark > > > > > > > >See AOL's >top >rated recipes and >easy >ways to stay in shape for winter. > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:YRHC Draft >Min dec 18.doc (WDBN/«IC») (0011B62B) >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sscheurman at aol.com Thu Dec 20 13:02:45 2007 From: Sscheurman at aol.com (Sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:02:45 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/2007 11:34:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, judyp at tpda.com writes: Good information, thanks, Mark. I was reading the minutes of the YRHC and I have a question that is only partially related. I heard recently that all houses on the island now have to be built as year-round, with insulation, etc. Of course anything built through the YRHC would be, but I wondered if that was true. Does anyone know? I am also glad to see the YRHC is looking into existing homes on the island since some have been sitting for a while and an offer might be considered that wouldn't have been last year. I also wonder if since the Beach Ave house is grandfathered as a multi-family (is that correct?) if it has potential for some kind of multiple ownership, like a condo, that would work for 3 parties. That would make the price per unit very reasonable. Right now I know the word "condo" on Long Island conjures images of high-priced luxury units, but many old buildings in Portland, many with only 2 or 3 units, have been converted to condos in the past few years and the prices per unit have been in the mid to low 100's. That it has been a powerful tool for young people to move from rentals. Two of our former tenants on Brackett street took advantage of this and are paying only slightly more than they were for rent (and our rents are very much middle-of-the-market.) Just a thought. J Hi All, Attached are Draft minutes from the Tues. YRHC meeting. Also the following thoughts on what is public in our communications and meetings: The letter of the law in Maine about meetings, discussions, and perhaps e-mails as I interpret it is so strong that if followed to the "T", almost nobody could talk to anybody about anything and little could ever get done except in a properly posted meeting in a public place. Let us continue to reflect on how we do our work and get it as reasonably close to open and legal as we can. I have been as guilty as others in trying to move ahead sometimes without thinking about what is the proper procedure. It is endlessly challenging no matter how long you have done it. We are all trying to do good stuff for others with little spare common time to do. I have modified the following quote I recently received on this issue: A reminder: a nonprofit's (we all - YRHC and YRHASC operate under the nonprofit YRHCorp as well as under the Town of Long Island) stakeholders are the public in which it serves. Directors are answerable to the public, and are supposed to represent the public when addressing the association. All documents are to be open to the public, and are actually required by law to be presented to the public within a timely manner upon request. Emails are included as a public document as of the whole Enron debacle (previously they were considered private). Whether an email is requested or not, it is still a public document because it was a communication to the association from a board member. Feel free to get work done with e-mails, but be aware they are not necessarily private communication. I expect that anything I do by e-mail (for public work) is open to be shared if needed or wanted. Other interpretations are more than welcome. We grappled long and hard in the beginning of the Town with variations of these issues. I think our intent to continue to strive to make it work properly is all anyone can ask. Thanks, Mark ____________________________________ See AOL's _top rated recipes_ (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) and _easy ways to stay in shape_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003) for winter. Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:YRHC Draft Min dec 18.doc (WDBN/«IC») (0011B62B) _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us All: My guess is that a structure built with insulation is probably more about meeting current building codes and energy efficiency, considering the price of fuel these days. In the old days, codes were much more lenient, and / or enforcement of them rather lax. My impression of the three unit property was the same as yours Judy. If allowable given current zoning etc., why not pursue this as an option? The issue seems to be, who has adequate time to follow up to determine this, on top of all of the other various items!! Mark, as Housing Administrator, can you identify and charge different folks in the community each with an individual task to follow up and report back to you on? Then you can dedicate your time more to being Father Hen rather than Go For. Although I will be getting back into actively taking appointments at work, if an appointment is not scheduled, I will have free time and am willing to take on some tasks. Only kicker to this is that free time occurs spontaneously as I learn of my appointments by email just the night before. The next few months are usually very slow business wise, and with our economy such as it is, probably even slower than usual. Sandie **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mlongreene2 at aol.com Thu Dec 20 13:31:08 2007 From: Mlongreene2 at aol.com (Mlongreene2 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:31:08 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes Message-ID: Judy and Sandy, Yes on the Beach Ave. House still being considered 3 family and yes on the condo possibility although only a madman would flaunt that right now with what is going on with the Spar. I am in agreement with your thoughts on that Judy and we all have discussed it. I have been in constant contact with the owner (and friend) to keep us in the loop when he can no longer hang on and he knows where we are coming from and yes we try each meeting to focus on properties that are available. Most of our members would prefer to but in the open market or have a stable long term rental. Most are looking at what we are doing as a safety valve, but an important one. Most of our members are in the unenviable financial valley that all folks of modest incomes are in, particularly those in desirable retirement locations in that the entry level starter homes are priced out of reach. What looks reasonable to you and me looks like a Mount Everest to the folks we are trying to help. At $350K plus $200K of work needed, the condos aren't going to make it in the low to mid 100's. Sandy - I prefer to be the Father Rooster than the Father Hen, but whatever, I love to delegate. There are only so many hours in the day, and while I get a stipend for some of what I do, and have been offered more to do more - my time is stretched too thin and I have had to decline that offer (from Genesis RCDI grant). The folks who have participated so far (10-12 you see on the list) or so generally are also pretty busy and our meetings typically have babies at them and/or one or the other parent babysitting and/or we are competing with our members having fire meetings, rec meetings, work issues, etc. All have worked hard to get us where we are and will do more if possible, but the idea of delegating out to sub groups and committees more stuff ain't going to fly right now. We cannot even think of another body at the moment to get on the YRHASC, let alone to do more (needed such research) which is why we so appreciate folks like yourself and Judy working all day and giving time at night to this. There are not a lot of folks out here and those able and interested are into many things already plus there are some who do not think what we are doing is all that great anyways. Headed out to deal with snow and leaving tomorrow for a looooong weekend. Thank you both for your continued input - keep it coming. MGPP **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judyp at tpda.com Thu Dec 20 15:09:48 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (JudyP) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:09:48 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wow -didn't realize the beach ave house needed that much work! do you happen to know if there are any organizations, like habitat, that work on renovation, not just new construction? (maybe the folks from extreme makeover would like to spend a week on our lovely island next year?!) >Judy and Sandy, Yes on the Beach Ave. House still being considered >3 family and yes on the condo possibility although only a madman >would flaunt that right now with what is going on with the Spar. I >am in agreement with your thoughts on that Judy and we all have >discussed it. I have been in constant contact with the owner (and >friend) to keep us in the loop when he can no longer hang on and he >knows where we are coming from and yes we try each meeting to focus >on properties that are available. Most of our members would prefer >to but in the open market or have a stable long term rental. Most >are looking at what we are doing as a safety valve, but an >important one. Most of our members are in the unenviable financial >valley that all folks of modest incomes are in, particularly >those in desirable retirement locations in that the entry level >starter homes are priced out of reach. What looks reasonable to >you and me looks like a Mount Everest to the folks we are trying to >help. At $350K plus $200K of work needed, the condos aren't going >to make it in the low to mid 100's. > Sandy - I prefer to be the Father Rooster than the Father Hen, >but whatever, I love to delegate. There are only so many hours in >the day, and while I get a stipend for some of what I do, and have >been offered more to do more - my time is stretched too thin and I >have had to decline that offer (from Genesis RCDI grant). The >folks who have participated so far (10-12 you see on the list) or so >generally are also pretty busy and our meetings typically have >babies at them and/or one or the other parent babysitting and/or we >are competing with our members having fire meetings, rec meetings, >work issues, etc. All have worked hard to get us where we are and >will do more if possible, but the idea of delegating out to sub >groups and committees more stuff ain't going to fly right now. We >cannot even think of another body at the moment to get on the >YRHASC, let alone to do more (needed such research) which is why we >so appreciate folks like yourself and Judy working all day and >giving time at night to this. There are not a lot of folks out here >and those able and interested are into many things already plus >there are some who do not think what we are doing is all that great >anyways. Headed out to deal with snow and leaving tomorrow >for a looooong weekend. Thank you both for your continued input - >keep it coming. MGPP > > > > >See AOL's >top >rated recipes and >easy >ways to stay in shape for winter. > >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- Judy Paolini TPDA 207-871-1813 office 207-329-6153 cell judyp at tpda.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sscheurman at aol.com Thu Dec 20 15:46:13 2007 From: Sscheurman at aol.com (Sscheurman at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:46:13 EST Subject: [yrhasc] Public right to know stuff and YRHC Dec.18 Draft Minutes Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/2007 1:32:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mlongreene2 at aol.com writes: Judy and Sandy, Yes on the Beach Ave. House still being considered 3 family and yes on the condo possibility although only a madman would flaunt that right now with what is going on with the Spar. I am in agreement with your thoughts on that Judy and we all have discussed it. I have been in constant contact with the owner (and friend) to keep us in the loop when he can no longer hang on and he knows where we are coming from and yes we try each meeting to focus on properties that are available. Most of our members would prefer to but in the open market or have a stable long term rental. Most are looking at what we are doing as a safety valve, but an important one. Most of our members are in the unenviable financial valley that all folks of modest incomes are in, particularly those in desirable retirement locations in that the entry level starter homes are priced out of reach. What looks reasonable to you and me looks like a Mount Everest to the folks we are trying to help. At $350K plus $200K of work needed, the condos aren't going to make it in the low to mid 100's. Sandy - I prefer to be the Father Rooster than the Father Hen, but whatever, I love to delegate. There are only so many hours in the day, and while I get a stipend for some of what I do, and have been offered more to do more - my time is stretched too thin and I have had to decline that offer (from Genesis RCDI grant). The folks who have participated so far (10-12 you see on the list) or so generally are also pretty busy and our meetings typically have babies at them and/or one or the other parent babysitting and/or we are competing with our members having fire meetings, rec meetings, work issues, etc. All have worked hard to get us where we are and will do more if possible, but the idea of delegating out to sub groups and committees more stuff ain't going to fly right now. We cannot even think of another body at the moment to get on the YRHASC, let alone to do more (needed such research) which is why we so appreciate folks like yourself and Judy working all day and giving time at night to this. There are not a lot of folks out here and those able and interested are into many things already plus there are some who do not think what we are doing is all that great anyways. Headed out to deal with snow and leaving tomorrow for a looooong weekend. Thank you both for your continued input - keep it coming. MGPP ____________________________________ See AOL's _top rated recipes_ (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) and _easy ways to stay in shape_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003) for winter. _______________________________________________ yrhasc mailing list yrhasc at townoflongisland.us http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us What do you all think about encouraging Meredith Sweet to consider joining our committee? She was curious enough about the subject to show up last night, and her input was valuable. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arobinson at islandinstitute.org Fri Dec 21 13:38:08 2007 From: arobinson at islandinstitute.org (Alden Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:38:08 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] minutes from last night Message-ID: Hello YRHASC, Below this message, I am pasting the draft minutes for your meeting last night. I am also attaching the minutes as a Word document. Please let me know if you have any trouble receiving either of these. I welcome any corrections you may have. I also welcome any suggestions for ways to make the minutes more useful to you. Although I took notes on your entire discussion, I recorded only those discussions that resulted in an actual decision related to the agenda item you were working on at the time. That means I left out a lot of your good conversations about the spirit of the project and the specific responsibilities of your committee. However, I will happily work those in if you feel they should have a place in the record. I enjoyed working with all of you last night. It is a privilege to work with such a dedicated group. I wish you all a pleasant holiday if I don't see you beforehand- Alden Town of Long Island Year Round Housing Application and Selection Committee Minutes, 19 December 2007 Meeting called to order: 6:33 p.m. Members Present: John Billings (chair); Newell Stewart (Selectman); Sandie Scheurman; Judy Paolini. Non-members present: Mark Greene (Housing Administrator); Michael Floyd (Chair, Selectmen); Leah Doughty (Year-Round Housing Committee); Tammy Hohn; Madeline Collinson; Meredith Sweet; Mary Nanos; Alden Robinson (Island Institute Fellow). Minutes of previous meeting accepted unanimously. Old Business: Review of eligibility and scoring criteria The committee reviewed its draft application for the Year-Round Housing program. Sandie Scheurman suggested three wording changes: * Step seven on the list under "Application Process": remove "applications valid for one year". The committee decided to let the wording stand. * Criterion two under "Selection Criteria": remove "(proof of residency may be required)". The committee agreed to remove. * Criterion three under "Selection Criteria": change to read "signed pre-lease agreement from Year-Round Housing Committee". The committee agreed to change the wording. Eligibility criterion #5: "Not a current property owner": Judy Paolini suggested that the criterion be changed to allow applications only from people who had never owned property in the past. Leah Doughty said that the Maine State Housing Authority will classify people as "first-time homebuyers" who have not owned property within the past three years. The committee discussed the possibility of handling property-ownership as a scoring criterion instead of an eligibility criterion. Mark Greene and Leah Doughty shared the YRHC's approach to the question: although it would exclude some YRHC participants, the committee decided to recommend that eligible applicants not own property at the time of their application. The committee agreed to leave the criterion as "not a current property owner". Eligibility criterion #1: "Pre-approval for a mortgage on a YRHC house": Leah Doughty said that repeated requests for pre-approval will hurt a person's credit score. John Billings said that if the committee did not require an initial pre-approval with the application, some time limit would need to exist to prevent otherwise-eligible applicants from tying up the housing program if they are unable to get credit. Sandie Scheurman said that the YRHASC was interested primarily in the creditworthiness of an applicant, not so much in whether that person was able to fund a house. John Billings agreed that the YRHC was responsible for ascertaining the adequacy of the applicant's funding for a specific house. However, the YRHASC would still need to know the amount for which an applicant was pre-qualified, as that would have a strong effect on his/her ability to participate successfully. The committee agreed that it needed more information from a banker. Mark Greene suggested that the YRHC and YRHASC collaborate on hosting a presentation on the 6th of February. Scoring criterion #6: Years of residency on island: The committee discussed several different options for this criterion. John Billings said that a person who has spent his or her entire life on the island should get the maximum number of points, and that a person who has not lived his/her entire life on the island should not be able to score the maximum. Mark Greene stressed that prioritizing residency on the island was a way to ensure the applicant would be a good fit for the program. Leah Doughty suggested a "brackets" system, where a person who has lived on the island for (for example) 3-6 years gets 5 points, for 6-12 years gets another 5 points, for 13+ years gets another 3 points. Alden Robinson suggested that the committee not worry about coming out with a total number of points out of proportion to other criteria, as the value of each criterion can be controlled after scoring using a weighted average system. The committee decided to award five points to applicants who have lived on the island for the past five years, and then one point for every five years on the island before that, up to a maximum of ten. Scoring criterion #5: Number of people in household: The committee discussed whether the number of people in the household should have a positive effect on an applicant's score. Mark Greene said that while the YRHC's objective was not specifically to prioritize families with children, it did want to get the maximum "bang for the buck" by making its projects serve as many people as possible. The committee decided to allot one point per each member of the household, up to a maximum of five. However, they decided not to request the names and relationships of the other household members from the applicant. New Business: None Public correspondence requesting agenda placement: None Public written correspondence: None Next meeting: Wednesday, 16 January 2008, 6:30 p.m., Town Hall. Meeting adjourned: 9:05 p.m. ________________________________________________ Alden S. Robinson Island Institute Fellow Town of Long Island, Maine (207) 766-2336 arobinson at islandinstitute.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: YRHASC minutes 12-19-07.doc Type: application/msword Size: 82432 bytes Desc: YRHASC minutes 12-19-07.doc URL: From judyp at tpda.com Fri Dec 21 13:48:12 2007 From: judyp at tpda.com (Judy Paolini) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:48:12 -0500 Subject: [yrhasc] minutes from last night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alden: Thanks for the great job taking the minutes and reporting them. In the interest of full disclosure I would like the other discussions to be part of the record if that is proper procedure. I think it will help to clarify any misinterpretations of our meeting discussions by those who were not able to attend the meeting. Thanks! Judy >Hello YRHASC, > >Below this message, I am pasting the draft >minutes for your meeting last night. I am also >attaching the minutes as a Word document. Please >let me know if you have any trouble receiving >either of these. > >I welcome any corrections you may have. I also >welcome any suggestions for ways to make the >minutes more useful to you. > >Although I took notes on your entire discussion, >I recorded only those discussions that resulted >in an actual decision related to the agenda item >you were working on at the time. That means I >left out a lot of your good conversations about >the spirit of the project and the specific >responsibilities of your committee. However, I >will happily work those in if you feel they >should have a place in the record. > >I enjoyed working with all of you last night. It >is a privilege to work with such a dedicated >group. > >I wish you all a pleasant holiday if I don't see you beforehand- > >Alden > > >Town of Long Island >Year Round Housing Application and Selection Committee >Minutes, 19 December 2007 > >Meeting called to order: 6:33 p.m. > >Members Present: John Billings (chair); Newell >Stewart (Selectman); Sandie Scheurman; Judy >Paolini. > >Non-members present: Mark Greene (Housing >Administrator); Michael Floyd (Chair, >Selectmen); Leah Doughty (Year-Round Housing >Committee); Tammy Hohn; Madeline Collinson; >Meredith Sweet; Mary Nanos; Alden Robinson >(Island Institute Fellow). > >Minutes of previous meeting accepted unanimously. > >Old Business: Review of eligibility and scoring criteria > >The committee reviewed its draft application for >the Year-Round Housing program. > >Sandie Scheurman suggested three wording changes: > >Step seven on the list under "Application >Process": remove "applications valid for one >year". The committee decided to let the wording >stand. >Criterion two under "Selection Criteria": remove >"(proof of residency may be required)". The >committee agreed to remove. >Criterion three under "Selection Criteria": >change to read "signed pre-lease agreement from >Year-Round Housing Committee". The committee >agreed to change the wording. > >Eligibility criterion #5: "Not a current >property owner": Judy Paolini suggested that >the criterion be changed to allow applications >only from people who had never owned property in >the past. Leah Doughty said that the Maine >State Housing Authority will classify people as >"first-time homebuyers" who have not owned >property within the past three years. > >The committee discussed the possibility of >handling property-ownership as a scoring >criterion instead of an eligibility criterion. > Mark Greene and Leah Doughty shared the YRHC's >approach to the question: although it would >exclude some YRHC participants, the committee >decided to recommend that eligible applicants >not own property at the time of their >application. > >The committee agreed to leave the criterion as >"not a current property owner". > >Eligibility criterion #1: "Pre-approval for a >mortgage on a YRHC house": Leah Doughty said >that repeated requests for pre-approval will >hurt a person's credit score. John Billings >said that if the committee did not require an >initial pre-approval with the application, some >time limit would need to exist to prevent >otherwise-eligible applicants from tying up the >housing program if they are unable to get >credit. Sandie Scheurman said that the YRHASC >was interested primarily in the >creditworthiness of an applicant, not so much in >whether that person was able to fund a house. >John Billings agreed that the YRHC was >responsible for ascertaining the adequacy of the >applicant's funding for a specific house. > However, the YRHASC would still need to know >the amount for which an applicant was >pre-qualified, as that would have a strong >effect on his/her ability to participate >successfully. > >The committee agreed that it needed more >information from a banker. Mark Greene >suggested that the YRHC and YRHASC collaborate >on hosting a presentation on the 6th of >February. > >Scoring criterion #6: Years of residency on >island: The committee discussed several >different options for this criterion. John >Billings said that a person who has spent his or >her entire life on the island should get the >maximum number of points, and that a person who >has not lived his/her entire life on the island >should not be able to score the maximum. Mark >Greene stressed that prioritizing residency on >the island was a way to ensure the applicant >would be a good fit for the program. > >Leah Doughty suggested a "brackets" system, >where a person who has lived on the island for >(for example) 3-6 years gets 5 points, for 6-12 >years gets another 5 points, for 13+ years gets >another 3 points. > >Alden Robinson suggested that the committee not >worry about coming out with a total number of >points out of proportion to other criteria, as >the value of each criterion can be controlled >after scoring using a weighted average system. > >The committee decided to award five points to >applicants who have lived on the island for the >past five years, and then one point for every >five years on the island before that, up to a >maximum of ten. > >Scoring criterion #5: Number of people in >household: The committee discussed whether the >number of people in the household should have a >positive effect on an applicant's score. Mark >Greene said that while the YRHC's objective was >not specifically to prioritize families with >children, it did want to get the maximum "bang >for the buck" by making its projects serve as >many people as possible. > >The committee decided to allot one point per >each member of the household, up to a maximum of >five. However, they decided not to request the >names and relationships of the other household >members from the applicant. > >New Business: None > >Public correspondence requesting agenda placement: None > >Public written correspondence: None > >Next meeting: Wednesday, 16 January 2008, 6:30 p.m., Town Hall. > >Meeting adjourned: 9:05 p.m. > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >Alden S. Robinson >Island Institute Fellow >Town of Long Island, Maine > >(207) 766-2336 > >arobinson at islandinstitute.org > > >Content-Type: application/msword; > name="YRHASC minutes 12-19-07.doc" >Content-Description: YRHASC minutes 12-19-07.doc >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="YRHASC minutes 12-19-07.doc" > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:YRHASC >minutes 12-19-07.doc (WDBN/«IC») (001C5D17) >_______________________________________________ >yrhasc mailing list >yrhasc at townoflongisland.us >http://townoflongisland.us/mailman/listinfo/yrhasc_townoflongisland.us -- judy paolini tpda 294 brackett street portland, me 04102 judyp at tpda.com 207.871.1813 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: